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In this episode Michael and Sam sit down with cybersecurity legend Chris Wysopal, Veracode co-founder and Chief Security Evangelist, to discuss the evolution of software security, and why awareness alone is not enough to solve today’s cybersecurity challenges. Chris shares his perspective on secure software, vendor accountability, liability, and the role government may need to play in protecting critical infrastructure. The conversation offers a thoughtful look at where cybersecurity has been, where it still falls short, and what meaningful progress could look like. 

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