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# Visiting the Old Folks Home with Mak Foss and Rachel Schwalk
- URL: https://www.cybrsecmedia.com/visiting-the-old-folks-home-with-mak-foss-and-rachel-schwalk/
- Published: 2024-05-01T16:00:00.000Z
- Updated: 2025-06-01T21:23:59.000Z
- Author: CYBR.SEC.Media
- Tags: podcast, cybersecurity, CYBR.SEC.CAST

Co-hosts Michael and Sam are joined by co-speakers Mak Foss and Rachel Schwalk to discuss their HOU.SEC.CON. presentation on business email compromise. In this episode they talk about their individual journey’s into cyber, the complexities of detecting business email compromise, and the significance of monitoring email rules.

**Things Mentioned:**

- Teetering on the edge: VPNs, Firewalls’ Nonexistent Telemetry Lures APTs: [https://www.darkreading.com/endpoint-security/edge-vpns-firewalls-nonexistent-telemetry-apts](https://www.darkreading.com/endpoint-security/edge-vpns-firewalls-nonexistent-telemetry-apts?ref=cybrsecmedia.com)
- Mak and Rachel’s 2023 Talk: [https://youtu.be/KChtzjP3agg?si=ugjdozNHG8NRm3TP](https://youtu.be/KChtzjP3agg?si=ugjdozNHG8NRm3TP&ref=cybrsecmedia.com)

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**In this episode:**

- Host: [Michael Farnum](https://www.linkedin.com/in/mfarnum/?ref=cybrsecmedia.com)
- Host: [Sam Van Ryder](https://www.linkedin.com/in/svanryder/?ref=cybrsecmedia.com)
- Guest: [Mak Foss](https://www.linkedin.com/in/makfoss/?ref=cybrsecmedia.com)
- Guest: [Rachel Schwalk](https://www.linkedin.com/in/rachel-schwalk-6421a1208/?ref=cybrsecmedia.com)
- Editing by: [Lauren Andrus](https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurenmandrus/?ref=cybrsecmedia.com)
- Music by: [August Honey](https://soundcloud.com/augusthoney?ref=clipboard&p=i&c=0&si=1D9EA956C1414292B232FF4438A8B8F8&utm%5Fsource=clipboard&utm%5Fmedium=text&utm%5Fcampaign=social%5Fsharing)