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# Skipping the Squishy with Shoshana Gourdin
- URL: https://www.cybrsecmedia.com/skipping-the-squishy-with-shoshana-gourdin/
- Published: 2026-09-24T12:40:14.000Z
- Updated: 2026-09-24T13:03:01.000Z
- Author: CYBR.SEC.Media
- Tags: podcast, CYBR.Minded, Confirmation Bias, Cybersecurity Culture

In this episode of CYBR.Minded, Shoshana Gourdin joins Dr. Dustin Sachs to explore why secure behavior is about more than policies and training. They discuss how morale, executive function, trust, stress, and workplace conditions can shape the decisions people make when it matters most. The conversation challenges security leaders to look beyond individual mistakes and design systems that work for real people operating under real-world pressure.

**Related:**

[Cybersecurity Human Risk: Why Morale and Trust MatterIn the latest CYBR.Minded episode, coach and mentor Shoshana Gourdin explains why cybersecurity leaders must address morale, executive function and workplace conditions to reduce human risk.![](https://storage.ghost.io/c/ab/67/ab676516-71e3-473d-8f73-9e0692f5aaee/content/images/icon/CYBR.SEC.Media-Logo-copy-0e4d1e10-c61c-4bed-9e0f-77118074a580.jpg)CYBR.SEC.MediaBill Brenner![](https://storage.ghost.io/c/ab/67/ab676516-71e3-473d-8f73-9e0692f5aaee/content/images/thumbnail/74be6b43-bad2-4164-bab0-5e94ba0f607a-38ebb177-5677-45ed-a941-99b3e951333d.png)](https://www.cybrsecmedia.com/cybersecuritys-human-problem-why-morale-trust-and-executive-function-matter/)

**Things mentioned:** 

- Security Weekly Conversation - [https://www.scworld.com/search?q=shoshana%20gourdin](https://www.scworld.com/search?q=shoshana%20gourdin&ref=cybrsecmedia.com)
- Frank Abagnale - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank\_Abagnale](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank%5FAbagnale?ref=cybrsecmedia.com)

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- Host: [Dr. Dustin Sachs](https://www.linkedin.com/in/dustinsachs/?ref=cybrsecmedia.com)
- Guest: [Shoshana Gourdin](https://www.linkedin.com/in/srgourdin/?ref=cybrsecmedia.com)
- Director: [Bill Brenner](https://www.cybrhakcon.com/?ref=cybrsecmedia.com)
- Producer: [Lauren Andrus](https://www.instagram.com/cybrsecmedia?ref=cybrsecmedia.com)

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