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# OT or IT with Consequences – with John Burns
- URL: https://www.cybrsecmedia.com/ot-or-it-with-consequences-with-john-burns/
- Published: 2024-01-10T15:00:00.000Z
- Updated: 2025-06-01T21:21:51.000Z
- Author: CYBR.SEC.Media
- Tags: podcast, IT-OT convergence, OT Cybersecurity, industrial cybersecurity, CYBR.SEC.CAST

In our first episode of 2024 Michael and Sam chat with Principal Industrial Hunter John Burns to talk about his presentation “The Distinct Imperatives of Threat Hunting in OT Environments”. In this conversation John also touches on his interesting industrial IT origin story, shares insights into his role as a principal industrial hunter, and emphasizes the consequences-driven approach to threat hunting in OT environments.

**Things Mentioned:**

- HOU.SEC.CON. [Call for Papers](https://www.houstonseccon.com/general-5-1?ref=cybrsecmedia.com) will run from May 1 – 31, 2024
- If you’d like to sponsor this year’s conference please reach out to our [sponsor wrangler](mailto:sponsorwranger@houstonseccon.com)
- You can read the article "MITRE Debuts ICS Threat Modeling for Embedded Systems" [here](https://www.darkreading.com/ics-ot-security/mitre-debuts-ics-cyber-threat-modeling-embedded-systems?ref=cybrsecmedia.com)
- You can watch John’s Talk on [YouTube](https://youtu.be/Mzp5xUQzapw?si=ge6mikDVEJ1I6ZAX&ref=cybrsecmedia.com)

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**In this episode:**

- Host: [Michael Farnum](https://www.linkedin.com/in/mfarnum/?ref=cybrsecmedia.com)
- Host: [Sam Van Ryder](https://www.linkedin.com/in/svanryder/?ref=cybrsecmedia.com)
- Guest: [John Burns](https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnburns10/?ref=cybrsecmedia.com)
- Editing by: [Lauren Andrus](https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurenmandrus/?ref=cybrsecmedia.com)
- Music by: [August Honey](https://soundcloud.com/augusthoney?ref=clipboard&p=i&c=0&si=1D9EA956C1414292B232FF4438A8B8F8&utm%5Fsource=clipboard&utm%5Fmedium=text&utm%5Fcampaign=social%5Fsharing)