> ## Content Index > Fetch the complete content index at: https://www.cybrsecmedia.com/llms.txt > Use this file to discover other available public pages before exploring further. # Not Another Pizza Party with Kayla Williams - URL: https://www.cybrsecmedia.com/not-another-pizza-party-with-kayla-williams/ - Published: 2026-09-10T12:14:03.000Z - Updated: 2026-09-10T13:09:31.000Z - Author: CYBR.SEC.Media - Tags: Alert Fatigue, Burnout, CISO, Cognitive Security, Cybersecurity Culture, CYBR.Minded, Human Risk Management, Mental Health, podcast In this episode of CYBR.Minded, Dr. Dustin Sachs sits down with cybersecurity executive and former CISO Kayla Williams to explore why burnout should be treated as a cybersecurity risk, not simply a people problem. They discuss how chronic overload can affect judgment, escalation, communication, and trust, creating hidden weaknesses within otherwise mature security programs. Kayla shares practical ways leaders can identify these warning signs through key risk indicators, stronger reporting cultures, and a deeper understanding of their teams. The conversation also explores how better processes, psychological safety, and attention to the human side of security can help build more resilient organizations. **Related:** [Cybersecurity Burnout Is a Measurable Security RiskVeteran CISO Kayla Williams tells CYBR.Minded that overloaded security teams create measurable cyber risk through slower escalation, weaker judgment and missed signals — and CISOs should start tracking the warning signs.![](https://storage.ghost.io/c/ab/67/ab676516-71e3-473d-8f73-9e0692f5aaee/content/images/icon/CYBR.SEC.Media-Logo-copy-fe62e5d6-76e5-4279-b384-d75a960b0086.jpg)CYBR.SEC.MediaBill Brenner![](https://storage.ghost.io/c/ab/67/ab676516-71e3-473d-8f73-9e0692f5aaee/content/images/thumbnail/8720d0e7-d43b-4f7a-aec0-5e25b1b465d9-e1e91233-806e-4bb4-8e60-ba21d82901a5.png)](https://www.cybrsecmedia.com/cybersecurity-burnout-is-a-risk-signal-pizza-parties-wont-fix-it/) **Things mentioned:** - Williams Rose.ai - [https://www.williamsrose.ai/](https://www.williamsrose.ai/?ref=cybrsecmedia.com) - Reddit Hit by Phishing Attack - [https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/reddit-hit-phishing-attack-source/](https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/reddit-hit-phishing-attack-source/?ref=cybrsecmedia.com) - Kitty Genovese and the Bystander Effect - [https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8692770/](https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8692770/?ref=cybrsecmedia.com) - Cyberminds - [https://www.cybermindz.org](https://www.cybermindz.org/?ref=cybrsecmedia.com) Do you have a question for the host? 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