> ## Content Index > Fetch the complete content index at: https://www.cybrsecmedia.com/llms.txt > Use this file to discover other available public pages before exploring further. # Compliance Whack-a-Mole with Dale Hoak - URL: https://www.cybrsecmedia.com/compliance-whack-a-mole-with-dale-hoak/ - Published: 2026-09-16T15:55:55.000Z - Updated: 2026-09-16T16:27:31.000Z - Author: CYBR.SEC.Media - Tags: podcast, compliance, AI and Compliance, CYBR.SEC.CAST In this episode of CYBR.SEC.CAST, Michael Farnum and Sam Van Ryder sit down with Dale Hoak, CISO at RegScale, to explore why compliance should be the starting point for cybersecurity - not the finish line. Dale discusses the shift from checkbox auditing to continuous cyber resilience, the growing impact of AI on risk, and why security, compliance, and business leaders need to work from the same playbook. The conversation also dives into executive buy-in, board-level risk discussions, and the importance of becoming an agent of change inside your organization. **Related articles:** [Cyber Compliance Is Not Cyber ResilienceRegScale CISO Dale Hoak explains why point-in-time cybersecurity compliance cannot keep pace with AI-driven threats — and why continuous controls, risk management and resilience must replace the checkbox mindset. (Sponsored by RegScale)![](https://storage.ghost.io/c/ab/67/ab676516-71e3-473d-8f73-9e0692f5aaee/content/images/icon/CYBR.SEC.Media-Logo-copy-7e2d1588-7022-46d8-bd5a-3f060f8f19ba.jpg)CYBR.SEC.MediaBill Brenner![](https://storage.ghost.io/c/ab/67/ab676516-71e3-473d-8f73-9e0692f5aaee/content/images/thumbnail/54c7f30a-c7fa-4983-91b4-046b1e8fb7d1-4bbe6e22-2cc2-4ede-989a-438522ee5e7e.png)](https://www.cybrsecmedia.com/cyber-compliance-is-not-cyber-resilience-ai-is-widening-the-gap/) [CISO Board Access Is About Cyber Risk, Not the SeatRegScale CISO Dale Hoak says the cybersecurity leadership debate should focus less on reporting lines and more on ensuring cyber risk reaches the board — while security, compliance and engineering stop fighting separate battles. 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