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# AI or Bust with Olivia Rose
- URL: https://www.cybrsecmedia.com/ai-or-bust-with-olivia-rose/
- Published: 2026-10-08T11:03:02.000Z
- Updated: 2026-10-08T15:32:57.000Z
- Author: CYBR.SEC.Media
- Tags: podcast, Agentic AI, CYBR.Minded, cybersecurity, Cybersecurity Executive, AI Security, AI and ransomware

In this episode of CYBR.Minded, Dr. Dustin Sachs sits down with Olivia Rose, Co-Founder of Williams Rose AI Cyber Advisory to discuss why shadow AI isn’t simply employee rebellion, why leadership has to own AI adoption, and what it takes to build governance that actually works when decisions leave the boardroom and enter the real world. 

**Things mentioned:** 

- Williams Rose AI Cyber Advisory - [https://www.williamsrose.ai/](https://www.williamsrose.ai/?ref=cybrsecmedia.com)
- Rose CISO Group - [https://www.rosecisogroup.com/](https://www.rosecisogroup.com/?ref=cybrsecmedia.com)
- Kayla Williams - [https://www.linkedin.com/in/kaylawilliamsai/](https://www.linkedin.com/in/kaylawilliamsai/?ref=cybrsecmedia.com)
- Kayla Williams CYBR.Minded Episode - https://youtu.be/5-Q5ZftVJQ4?si=h6gFimZEm2DKX6EH

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**Related article:**

[Shadow AI Isn’t Employee Rebellion. It’s an AI Governance and Leadership ProblemEmployees aren’t necessarily ignoring AI governance when they use unapproved tools. Olivia Rose argues that conflicting messages, weak training and poor leadership are fueling shadow AI — and policies alone won’t fix it.![](https://storage.ghost.io/c/ab/67/ab676516-71e3-473d-8f73-9e0692f5aaee/content/images/icon/CYBR.SEC.Media-Logo-copy-b42799d2-2feb-4208-a970-3bd897fbdf2e.jpg)CYBR.SEC.MediaBill Brenner![](https://storage.ghost.io/c/ab/67/ab676516-71e3-473d-8f73-9e0692f5aaee/content/images/thumbnail/d7bd7776-ce08-4336-bd19-b762e79f75ba-e51d9c5f-f45a-4c7d-bf69-c2136c1a9722.png)](https://www.cybrsecmedia.com/shadow-ai-isnt-employee-rebellion-its-an-ai-governance-and-leadership-problem/)

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- Host: [Dr. Dustin Sachs](https://www.linkedin.com/in/dustinsachs/?ref=cybrsecmedia.com)
- Guest: [Olivia Rose](https://www.linkedin.com/in/oliviaroseai/?ref=cybrsecmedia.com)
- Director: [Bill Brenner](https://www.cybrhakcon.com/?ref=cybrsecmedia.com)
- Producer: [Lauren Andrus](https://www.instagram.com/cybrsecmedia?ref=cybrsecmedia.com)

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